Re: MD Rhetoric

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 2005 - 13:21:27 BST

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    Ian, Matt et al:

    Pirsig makes it crystal clear that valuing and experience are inseparable:

    "This value is more immediate, more directly sensed than any "self' or any
    "object" to which it might be later assigned. It is more real than the
    stove. Whether the stove is the cause of the low quality or whether
    possibly something else is the cause is not yet absolutely certain. But
    that the quality is low is absolutely certain. It is the primary empirical
    reality from which such things as stoves and heat and oaths and self are
    later intellectually constructed." (Lila, 5)

    I liken Pirsig's value to qualia -- immediate apprehensions of vibrations
    such as the color and smell of a rose. Daniel Dennet defines qualia
    thusly:

    Qualia are:

       1. ineffable; that is, they cannot be communicated, or apprehended by
    any other means than direct experience.
       2. intrinsic; that is, they are non-relational properties, which do not
    change depending on the experience's relation to other things.
       3. private; that is, all interpersonal comparisons of qualia are
    systematically impossible.
       4. directly or immediately apprehensible in consciousness; that is, to
    experience a quale is to know one experiences a quale, and to know all
    there is to know about that quale.

    Isn't that an accurate description of Pirsig's Quality? I think so.

    Quality is a sense like other senses. It is what you know before you know
    anything else. It is never (to use a favorite word of academic types)
    "mediated" by concepts of any kind. It is as plain, direct and self-
    evident as the difference between black and white, light and dark, figure
    and ground. It is the sense of good and bad.

    Platt

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