From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Thu Oct 13 2005 - 09:32:15 BST
David H.
12 Oct. you wrote:
> Mark said: (Mike)
> > Just as the inorganic level submits to a higher purpose by allowing
> > exceptions to the static law of entropy, just as the biological
> > level submits to a higher purpose by allowing exceptions to the
> > static law of "might makes right", just as the social level submits
> > to a higher purpose by allowing exceptions to the static law of
> > authority, so the logical level submits to a higher purpose by
> > allowing exceptions to the static law of *definition*. The pattern
> > is clear to see, is it not? So why shouldn't the MOQ stand above the
> > fourth level?
> Mark and Bo,
> Why shouldn't it? Because it doesn't. It's not permanent and
> non-changing, the MOQ does change. You've just changed it. See how it
> changes?
I don't know how Mike sees the MOQ (diagram) after the 4th
level is renamed (?) and the MOQ is moved out of it.
> > Bo continued:
> > Now, I don't postulate a 5th. level, the MOQ's intellectual
> > framework is intellectual and will remain so (by the same token as
> > biology's building block (carbon) remains inorganic, but it has
> > formed a Quality reality of which intellect is a sub-set. I still
> > search for the ultimate formulation here.
> I've got 'the ultimate formulation' for you. Quality. Quality just
> like reality has this unique, one of a kind, perfect for any
> metaphysics, ability where it can be both ultimate and changing at the
> same time. Ultimate, to me is just another description of quality.
> The best description we have at any one time is the ultimate
> description. Of course like quality, the ultimate can always be
> replaced by something better. Who's not to like this?
First David, do you see and eventually approve of my
metaphysical exercise here? Postulating the lesser "moq" (its
"intellectual" framework) as remaining intellectual (so that they
who ask where it is are satisfied) while the greater MOQ is the
Quality Reality we live in.
I think Quality is fine, the reason for Pirsig choosing it as reality's
ground you demonstrate perfectly: Whatever one may think is the
ultimate, something BETTER can always be imagined. However,
I was more looking for the ultimate way of expressing the above
trick of eating the cake and keeping it.
What do you say.
Bo
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