RE: MD 1967 or 1968 ?

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Fri Jun 27 2003 - 00:54:58 BST

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    Thanks again Rick.

    The original thinking about quality and the "seed crystal" moment seem
    pretty clear, and the paper he gave in Oct 61 seems prety well documented
    too. The early 1962 date of the breakdown is also pretty clear, even though
    some sources suggest a whole year earlier, but the Illinois Univ sources are
    pretty good on the dates there.

    It's falling into place pretty quickly now.
    So I can get back to the true subject matter of the MoQ and the realities of
    3rd Milennium life any time soon :-)
    Ian

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    Sent: 26 June 2003 23:06
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    Subject: Re: MD 1967 or 1968 ?

    Hey again Ian,
    I remembered that our old-forum cohort Anthony McWatt once pointed out "The
    first academic paper Pirsig wrote on Quality was 'Quality in Freshman
    Composition' delivered at the Rocky Mountain Modern Language Association
    regional convention on October 13th 1961." This would probably place
    Pirsig's thoughts on Quality around 59 when he started teaching rhet.

    Moreover, the bio states further: "Pirsig taught composition and rhetoric
    from 1959 to 1962 at Universities in Montana and Illinois. Toward the end
    of this period, he sufered a nervous breakdown and was subjected to electric
    shock therapy".

    Given all this, I think ZMM can be seen as the result of four composite
    sources: (1) The paper on Quality in Freshman Composition, (2) the original
    brief light-hearted ZMM essay, (3) the narrative about the motorcycle trip,
    (4) Pirsig's experiences as a "mental patient".

    take care
    rick

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