Re: MD Racism in the forum.

From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Thu Jul 10 2003 - 02:07:27 BST

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    Squonk,

    My last two posts were to refute your charge of "racism in the forum". They were not about whether or not Bo's (or my) position is correct. You have not answered that refutation, but continue to argue against Bo's position. Which, of course, you are welcome to do, and in this post you do so civilly, without insults, which I appreciate. But I'm still waiting either for a refutation of my refutation, or a retraction.

    - Scott

      Hello Scott,
      I apologise for not answering your points.
      If you feel after this i am still avoiding your points, then please hammer me on it, because i do not wish to avoid anything. I assure you.

      I feel the S/O divide is an awareness of a difference in values. The most obvious difference is biological and social. So, the S/O divide has been around for hundreds of thousands of years.
      If you cannot value the sight, sounds and smells of the opposite sex then you are in trouble.
      If you cannot value the dominant leaders in your social group you are in trouble.

      Old languages represents this, and are full of such distinctions. Language has developed the space you talk of for hundreds of thousands of years.

      All the while this is going on, intellect is at work building a survival advantage. Language has quantity predicates going back into prehistory, and there is a distinction between left and right. Greenlanding counting is a good example of this, and it in base ten.

      So, the claim that ancient Greece saw the emergence of subjects and objects is quite frankly ludicrous. What did happen was a very severe emphasis - a world shattering mistake of making these divisions permanent like the Gods. Its an artistic creation, and primarily an aesthetic one. You simply do not need a SoM to do maths or geometry, and the S/O divide is certainly not a prerequisite for another level in the MoQ.

      Skutvik claims the intellect is reason. That's his view. It is not mine, and having attended his thoughts closely i am further away from agreement now than ever before. And, i do feel his views have potentially dreadful consequences.

      Please accept my apologise Scott?
      I assure you i have said this before, and if you feel i am being unfair, please do not let me get away with it.
      All the best,
      squonk

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