Re: Sheldrake (MD economics of want and greed 4)

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 19:12:03 BST

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    Hi

    I agree, the best move is to avoid the strange idea that
    you can explain conscioussness from non-conscious
    processes, especially as we canm't experience any
    non-conscious processess! Ha ha!

    David Morey

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott R" <jse885@spinn.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:50 AM
    Subject: Re: Sheldrake (MD economics of want and greed 4)

    > Andy,
    >
    > (I know, you asked David, but I can't resist)
    >
    >
    > > Hi David,
    > >
    > > Since I am having such a difficult time understanding Scott, could you
    > please
    > > explain to me how something as obscure as "trying to explain perception
    > through
    > > the products of perception" can throw any favorable light on the work of
    > > SHeldrake over the other conventional "materialist" explanations? If we
    > are not
    > > allowed to explain experience through what we experience, then what are
    we
    > left
    > > with?
    >
    > Nothing. Mu. Consciousness is self-contradictory, so the only logic for
    > talking about consciousness is the logic of contradictory identity. So the
    > more sensible thing is to assume consciousness as a given, and not
    something
    > that could have evolved out of non-conscious processes. This is, of
    course,
    > the same move that Pirsig made with Quality.
    >
    > > How does Sheldrake avoid this cunumdrum?
    >
    > That I don't know, but from what I've understood he doesn't need to
    explain
    > consciousness. Only materialists do, or the whole Darwinist world view
    falls
    > apart.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    >
    >
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