From: Yale Landsberg (yale_landsberg@yalelands.com)
Date: Sun Sep 14 2003 - 13:01:59 BST
beer, wine, or whisky? :-)
BTW, what I said was not meant to be flattering. I really do think that you
and Patrick and maybe one or two others on this list are capable of seeing
that, in for example any struggle to change from adverse state or situation
x to an opposite more hopeful state or situation y, there is a situational
"morality" being observed by the changee that can be expessed by these
terms: 110x, 000x 111y and 001y to express what is occurring as the changee
undergoes the change; and also in terms of morale: 010y 100y 011x and 101x
to express the changee's overcomings, where as my Fractal Philosophy paper
consiistently points out -- the 0's and 1's are NOT numbers,, but rather
symbols representing the phrases "going away from" and "coming towoards". .
BTW2, unfortunately, for what turns out to be an only obvious in retrospect
reason, the above is not so much an oddly expressed T.O.E. as a set of
answers to old anomolies that leads to an entirely new set of questions the
way a door leads out of one room x to some next one y. Thus, I think my
Fractal Philosophy paradigm matches up with the requirements of your
paradigm multiple stages/levels of clinging. floating, clinging, floating.
Or maybe it is just close in some way(s). You tell me. Cheers, yale
----- Original Message -----
From: <abahn@comcast.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: MD Illusions--Richard Bach's creatures
> Hi Yale,
>
> You said:
> "...deep and unsatisfiable courageous thinkers like you -- and the
relatively
> few seekers like you and me and I dare say Patrick, who have less than the
> average need to cling to what we currently believe, and a more than
average
> desire to not hold for too long any successor beliefs we may wish to play
with
> for a while."
>
> Andy:
> Although I don't like to throw accolades at myself at the expense of
anyone,I'll
> drink to above.
>
> Regards,
> Andy
> > Andy, more and more I see that I was grossly mistaken about my opinion
of
> > you and your quality of exploration. So I greatly aologize in public
here
> > for my misguided and totally wrong, flip remarks to you.
> >
> > Needless to say I completely agree with what you are saying below. And
> > while you are not inclined to do so, please note that I wrote my Fractal
> > Philosophy paper about things like "the softest of software" and an
> > underlying ethos inherent in at least some categories of changes only
for
> > deep and unsatisfiable courageous thinkers like you -- and the
relatively
> > few seekers like you and me and I dare say Patrick, who have less than
the
> > average need to cling to what we currently believe, and a more than
average
> > desire to not hold for too long any successor beliefs we may wish to
play
> > with for a while.
> >
> > Regards., Yale
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <abahn@comcast.net>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: MD Illusions--Richard Bach's creatures
> >
> >
> > > Hi Platt,
> > >
> > > Yes, I have witnessed your interpretation of the MOQ being all about
> > morals on
> > > this site for some time now. I appreciate your perspective Platt, but
I
> > don't
> > > agree with it. Although, I think morals are important to the MOQ, I
don't
> > think
> > > they were intended by Pirsig to be fixed and absolute. At least, I
don't
> > want
> > > to read Pirsig this way.
> > >
> > > I also liked "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Bach and I agree this
would
> > make a
> > > nice metaphor for the MOQ. I remember JLS, the protagonist, straying
off
> > from
> > > the rest of the gulls, society, in order to discover his calling. The
> > rest of
> > > the gulls were gathered around landfills and beaches, feeding for
scraps
> > and
> > > trash wherever they could find it. All the while JLS was off by
himself,
> > all
> > > alone, practicing flight maneuvers while neglecting his biological and
> > societal
> > > needs. This journey JLS took is very analogous to being bounced along
the
> > > rocks, alone, away from society. :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts
> > > Andy
> > > > Hi Andy,
> > > >
> > > > Your "swimming in the stream" metaphor and explanation says nothing
> > > > about morals. So to claim it's a metaphor for the MOQ is a stretch
to
> > > > say the least. The MOQ is all about morals. Your conclusion seemed
to
> > > > be that it's better not to cling to one set of beliefs, a conclusion
I
> > > > presume we shouldn't cling to either. But I didn't see any
rationale
> > > > to support that conclusion.
> > > >
> > > > The MOQ states as an axiom that some things are better than others,
> > > > then proceeds to answer what, where, when, how and why that axiom
> > > > creates the world. A good metaphor of the MOQ would do the same, or
at
> > > > the least suggest that the MOQ is about morality, not about "letting
go
> > > > of society."
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I liked Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull"
metaphor
> > > > better. I'd rather fly with the angels than bump along the bottom of
a
> > > > stream. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Platt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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