RE: MD When is an interpretation not an interpretation?

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Nov 14 2003 - 22:50:13 GMT

  • Next message: Scott R: "Re: MD When is an interpretation not an interpretation?"

    H i Scott,

    I didn't get your post at this Hotmail account, but I'm glad I saw your
    question in Paul's reply.

    >Hi Scott
    >
    > > Paul wrote:
    > > "The assertion that "the world causes us to have certain beliefs"
    > > assumes a pre-existing world, a world of causal pressures at least."
    > >
    > > Johnny:
    > > I noticed this myself. I think the MoQ says that Quality (Morality)
    > > causes us to have certain beliefs.
    > >
    > > Paul:
    > > Precisely.
    > >
    > > Johnny:
    > > And then we indeed assume a pre-existing world based on the beliefs
    >that
    > > we currently have.
    > >
    > > Paul:
    > > Exactly.
    >
    >Scott:
    >How is this different from theological determinism, as one finds in
    >Islam or
    >Calvinism (not that any particular Muslim or Calvinist is likely to
    >actually
    >live according to this principle)?
    >
    >Paul:
    >I don't know why but you seem to assume that I think of Quality as some
    >kind of god that forces the same set of beliefs into everyone's heads. I
    >accept Pirsig's assumption that Quality is empirical experience which
    >causes us to hold different beliefs depending on one's unique experience
    >of value. Where this differs from pragmatism is that the "stubborn
    >physical reality" is one of those beliefs but not the cause of the
    >belief.

    I agree with Paul that you seem to think that the ideas that are "forced
    into your head" must be somehow different from the ideas that you would
    otherwise have. No, they are the same ideas, there is no difference between
    the ideas that a person has or would have and the ideas that Quality causes
    them to have. Where do you think ideas come from if not Quality?

    You are keen to observe that it is no different from the sound thinking of
    Calvin and Muhommed and Christ and Paul and Augustine and Edwards and Buddha
    and Lao Tzu etc.

    Johnny

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