Re: MD matt said scott said

From: David R (elephant@plato.plus.com)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2003 - 01:56:11 GMT

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    Matt,

    Re your description of yourself as a 'neopragmatist', the help I'm after
    isn't with labelling you.

    I just want to be told what 'Sense perceptible' means.

    Your contribution didn't tell me on that, as far as I could see, since you
    apparently take the veiw that all that's important to you for the test of
    correspondence is that you "see" the tiger (and I think I know what 'see'
    means), rather than that the tiger is 'Sense perceptible', whatever that
    means. I don't know what it means. I've tried to understand it as
    *equivalent to* 'see', but that didn't work, for the reasons given in my
    last post (yes, the 'strange' post). The upshot is, I do not know what
    'Sense perceptible' means. I'd like to be told.

    Maybe someone can propose an explanation or a definition of 'Sense
    perceptible'. Some one help me out and help me understand 'Sense
    perceptible'.

    I have the feeling that we are in sympathy about the meaning of 'see', and
    about the appropriate response when you see a tiger. But that wasn't my
    question.

    It occurs to me that it wasn't you as mentioned 'sense-perceptible' in the
    first place. If the gent who did mention it cares to explain himself, then
    I'm interested.

    David R

    > From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
    > Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:25:52 -0600
    > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    > Subject: Re: MD matt said scott said
    >
    > Elephant,
    >
    > Elephant said:
    > 'Perceptive', you mean. OK. So Matt, I suppose what you are saying is that
    > you don't have much reason to talk about 'sense-perceptible' at all, not
    > normally anyway.
    >
    > Matt, it looks like what you are saying is 'I see what I see'. Why would
    > anyone challenge that? I see all kinds of things all the time, although I
    > don't see many tigers. Like, just now I see I'm going on a bit but that I
    > might turn out to have a point if only I can see it through.
    >
    > So that's Matt.
    >
    > Matt:
    > Well, that was strange Mr. Philosopher. I think what I mean is a bit closer
    > to "Truth as correspondence works with tigers." I'm a typical neo-pragmatist,
    > if that helps. All I want to say is that typical perceptions that people
    > have, like of rain and tigers, can be subject to a "test" like
    > "correspondence," like looking outside or peering into the jungle. Nothing
    > controversial like representationalism.
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
    >
    >
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