From: Paul Turner (paulj.turner@ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon Nov 24 2003 - 13:58:19 GMT
Hi Mati
Mati said:
Through intellect we have capacity to understand the value of democracy.
Democracy provides for educated people of that nation to make informed
decisions about their lives through their governments. Go back to those
early clans or the early Egyptians and share the idea democracy with
them. It has no value to them; intellectually they didn't have the
capacity. This is the current struggle in Iraq, which is a strongly
rooted social system. The success of the US will be based on their
capacity to build the intellectual capacity of the country. My concern
here is the US will pull out before an intellectual capacity will be
developed.
Paul:
Good post Mati. A little disagreement (or misunderstanding, depending on
what you mean by "intellectual capacity") though. I think democracy is
described, in MOQ terms, as a part of an intellect vs. society moral
code and is not entirely an intellectual pattern of values (except as a
concept or ideology). In fact, I think that the application of democracy
is most visible as a social pattern (of government) - one that, in
principle, does no harm to intellectual patterns.
"[The Metaphysics of Quality] says that what is meant by "human rights"
is usually the moral code of intellect-vs.-society, the moral right of
intellect to be free of social control. Freedom of speech; freedom of
assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas corpus; government by consent
- these "human rights" are all intellect-vs.-society issues." [Lila
p.352-353]
I say this because the people of Iraq certainly participate in
intellectual patterns, to deny this classifies them as prehistoric. What
we had in Iraq (amongst other violations) was a repression of
intellectual patterns not conforming to those "socially approved" by the
enormously powerful static social patterns of dictatorship.
This repression of "illegal intellectual patterns" is not limited to any
part of the world; I would think it is a matter of intensity rather than
a clear cut absence of an entire evolutionary level. The west has its
"illegal patterns" too.
Also, the way I see it, the U.S. and its allies need to concentrate on
building some stable social patterns first to fill the vacuum created by
destroying the old ones.
"All the laws of history, all the arguments, all the constitutions and
the Bills of Rights and Declarations of Independence are nothing more
than instructions to the military and police. If the military and police
can't or don't follow these instructions properly they might as well
have never been written." [Lila p.355-356]
cheers
Paul
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