Re: MD The MOQ: An expansion of rationality

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sat Jan 17 2004 - 16:02:16 GMT

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    Steve and Group

    16 Jan. you wrote:
             
    Steve from the previous letter:
    > > > Do you prefer "the value of S/O distinctions" to "the value of truth"
    > > > for defining intellect?

    I thought this was an invitation and replied with high hopes:

    Bo:
    > > We agree. Intellect is the value of the true/false
    > > (objective/subjective) distinction.
      
    Steve:
    > The true/false distinction does not equate with objective/subjective by
    > any stretch.

    The lie/truth distinction is as old as language and can't be
    compared to the subjective/objective one. Armed with intellect's
    S/O "measuring rod" we now look back at the past and say (for
    example) that the ancient Greeks "believed" that the Gods lived
    on the Olymp, but this "belief/objective knowledge" attitude was
    unknown to them

    > It is objectively false that I was born 1000 years ago.

    Exactly.

    > It is subjectively true that my favorite color is green.

    Exactly.

    > Truth applies to both objective and subjective experience.

    Yes, the true/false can be thrown around in these "sophisticated"
    ways.

    > I hope we can come to agreement on identifying and evaluating
    > intellectual patterns on a true/false scale of value with
    > subjective/objective knowledge distinctions as a subset of all
    > intellectual truth distinctions.

    Again these mysterious intellectual patterns that supposedly can be
    evaluated against a scale. See, you deem them intellectual in
    beforehand! What if an "intellectual pattern" fails the test? Where
    is it to be placed? Don't you see that it is the scale itself that is
    INTELLECT?
     
    ".....subjective/objective knowledge distinction as a subset of all
    intellectual truth distinctions". This is to turn things upside-down.
    It seems however as if you (Paul too?) are willing to accept
    "Intellect=The Value of Truth", and this is the S/O intellect in a
    weaker form (the "true" can be shuffled around). But maybe we
    are approaching some common ground.

    IMO
    Bo

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