From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Jan 31 2004 - 17:12:23 GMT
Hi Bo
Ontology/Being/reality cannot be contained by ideas.
A metaphyics like MOQ is an idea. It is three words.
I agree that the words DQ refer to Being, activity and transcendence
and is therefore not fully graspable in ideas/words. The MOQ
contains this reference, but the MOQ itself is a theory/ideas.
Are you confusing ideas with reality itself?! I think so.
I think Heidegger is far more rigorous in this respect
compared to this loose and muddled talk about intellect,
subjectivity and what is real.
As Heidegger says Being thinks Man.
regards
David M
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> David M. Steve P and All!
>
> 27 Jan.
>
> > A very good point and quote. Clearly as Bo suggests we
> > have been very dominated by the S-O cut, but there
> > are other cuts, and I hope that is what we are here to explore.
>
> I sent a reply to Steve this morning and as it pertains to your
> comment here I should have included you. Regarding the above
> about "other cuts" it's in the said reply to Steve, but I may add a
> little something.
>
> By saying : "..we have been very dominated" you clearly mean
> that the intellectual level has been dominated. It sounds as if our
> attention/focus/awareness ..whatever IS THE INTELLECT which
> is a mind-interpretation and you are back in SOM.
>
> In such a SOM view there are many things that can fill our minds
> - ideas, world-views, beliefs - and such a mind-intellect has
> accommodated all possible theories from Stone Age's
> mythologies to Quantum Mech. but this removes all meaning
> from the MOQ.
>
> > Intellect is dominated by analysis (cutting up) and the SO version,
> > partly Pirsig suggests we look at other cuts and get away from SO
> > dominance, partly he tells us that his cut puts all patterns (SQ) on
> > one side of the cut and DQ on the other is very useful.
>
> OK again: You could as well have said that ...our mind has been
> so dominated ...but what possible break with SOM is the MOQ in
> such a view? Zero point zero!. In the MOQ the intellect is another
> STATIC level and this notion of it being able to contemplate
> "other cuts" (whatever world-view) - other than the S/O - is deeply
> wrong.
>
> > This is a
> > stroke of genius because the DQ side has nothing cutable on its side,
> > it is like cutting an apple-universe along its tangent, hence DQ is
> > close to nothing, and the source of all suchness that is cutable,
> > creative, aware, the transcendent I would suggest.
>
> All this I agree profoundly with, but the MOQ can't be contained
> by a static level, it is a "rebel" pattern that intellect desperately
> tries to "retrieve", and you (all except Mati) seem to be intellect's
> willing henchmen for some (to me) inscrutable reason. If intellect
> succeeds in retrieving the MOQ, it is "defused" and made into
> just another interesting idea.
>
> IMO
> Bo
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