From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed May 05 2004 - 18:52:41 BST
On 3 May 2004 Mark writes to DMB:
DMB:
Academic religion is the killing jar of Spirit.
Mark 3-5-04: I agree. But we may be more precise? Academic religion is
becoming static - it wishes to be Intellectually Dynamic while arguing
against Intellectual freedom to posit the unpatterned.
Intellectual activity has the moral authority to place organised religion in
the killing jar and better understand what it is? Neither Intellectual nor
social activity have the moral authority to place DQ in the killing jar.
You explained this recently by describing Sam's project as involving an evil
aspect. I agree with you.
Hi Mark, DMB, and all,
joe: i admire the tenor of the post and the search for answers. I do not
accept the term 'evil' in describing Sam's project. 'Evil' is immoral. In
an MOQ atmosphere writing a religion is a degenerate activity much like
writing a metaphysics. Wim has equated DQ with God! I do not go that
route, but God is certainly as undefined as DQ.
How to write a metaphysics of religion? Degenerate squared! Religion of
the future is a cesspool.
David M 29-4-04: Is the whole-man then an impossibility? I don't know.
joe: to identify the intellectual dynamic element in intellectual patterns
Bo suggested that s/o (subject/object) is the intellectual pattern. His
project was degenerate. I will be degenerate and add 'unfinished' to Bo's
suggestion. Intellectual pattern is a mystical acceptance of unfinished
s/o.
I am going to be more degenerate and suggest a way to identify a social
pattern. The separation of Church and State indicates a division of social
quality. SOM proposed a division of existence into intentional existence
(subjective) and real existence (objective). Accepting the real existence
of God was impossible in SOM. I hope mystical is accepted in MOQ. Pirsig
accepts a hierarchical order of inorganic, organic, social, intellectual
evolutionary levels. The value of existence!
I degenerately accept a pattern of existence, a pattern of order as the
social pattern. One order, society, another order, religion, based upon
existence. So what is the difference? To be cute I would say the evolution
of the planet is social, the evolution of the universe is religion, but I
have no idea what I am talking about? What is beyond planetary evolution
and growth? What does it mean in terms of dq to accept the Sun to be a body
of fusion? The big bang is dq? Religion is an acceptance of order beyond
order? Doubletalk! Society is an acceptance of order. Both are accepted
in the dq of the social order?
Joe Maurer
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