From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 18 2004 - 20:25:15 BST
Hi all,
Mark says:
"Chimps and humans DO NOT have the same genes, though they do have
many genes in common, approximately 98.5%"
Which actually only means that the 1.5% of genes that are different
are quite powerful and make the difference between being Human
and being a Chimp.
That also implies that such very very small % differences between genes
can make for some similarly large differences in physical and mental traits
and behaviors between the various Human races or Human "stocks" as well.
"It is this that Platt and Vogel don't (or won't) understand."
On the contrary, "such very very small % differences between genes
can make for some similarly large differences in physical and mental traits
and behaviors between the various Human races or Human "stocks"" is
what Mark and his "social-marxist" Human Equality dogmatists don't or
won't understand.
"Has anyone read anything in Pirsig that might suggest that one "race"
of humans is higher or lower than another in the moral hierarchy?"
Yes, it is clear that Pirsig in Lila almost makes just such a suggestion and
then "chickens out" when his thoughts threaten to become "politically-
incorrect", when he is describing the problem of crime in NYC and the
"biologicals" that are like "germs" infecting the social body politic that
threaten the very survival of Western Civilization that such a great city
like NYC represents.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
PS--Perhaps, Pirsig only "chickened-out" because otherwise he just wouldn't
have been
ever published, as is seen by the case of such brave and honest authors like
J. P. Rushton?
Best to all,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
>From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: MD MOQ and Human Variation
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:50:24 -0700
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've changed the subject, and will end this post with a question
>about variations in human traits, and how this might be discussed in
>relation to the MOQ. But first...
>
>On 17 Jun 2004 at 10:10, Platt Holden wrote:
>MSH writes
> > What this is saying is that variation in physical appearance within
> > so-called "racial" groupings is MUCH GREATER than physical
>variation
> > between "racial" groups. In other words, people who divide
>humanity
> > into separate groups based on appearance, have NO scientific reason
> > for doing so. As the rest of the AAA paper points out, the
>division
> > was made, and continues to be upheld, for social reasons, and not
> > very pretty ones.
>
>ph:
>They base their argument on genetic differences. Why else would they
>begin by saying "Evidence from the analysis of genetics . . ." They
>also apply the percentages directly to genes as in the phrase, " . .
>in about 6% of their genes."
>
>msh says:
>All humans have the same genes. There are different versions of many
>genes, called alleles. For example, while most people have genes
>which give them colored eyes, there are multiple alleles for specific
>eye colors. Each person has particular combination of alleles for
>eye color, for hair color, skin pigmentation, etc., which makes him
>or her genetically unique. This is the genetic variation that is
>being discussed.
>
>Chimps and humans DO NOT have the same genes, though they do have
>many genes in common, approximately 98.5%.
>
>It is this that Platt and Vogel don't (or won't) understand.
>
>Has anyone read anything in Pirsig that might suggest that one "race"
>of humans is higher or lower than another in the moral hierarchy?
>
>Best to all,
>Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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