From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Jul 18 2004 - 12:28:52 BST
>Mark 18-7-04: If you claim to recognise lack of coherence then you must
>recognise coherence Dan. What is 'the sweet spot' in MOQ terms?
Hi Mark
I would call it Quality. I think you expounded on it well in your essay in
the moq.org forum. In the beginning of the conclusion you write:
"The sweet spot is an idiom of common language. In the language of the MOQ,
a sweet spot may be described as a tension between SQ patterns that produce
DQ. The Zen Master uses archery as a means to achieve DQ. The MOQ indicates
why this would be a natural use for archery, as the archer must balance his
loosing of the shot at a very fine point."
I don't practice archery but I do practice golf. I've never actually played
golf, I just like to practice hitting balls. If my swing is good my body
feels good. Now it doesn't happen every time I practice; in fact come to
think of it, it's only happened to me once, but when it happened (and I
can't tell you what "it" is) it showed me that I don't hit the ball. The
shot happens best when I'm not involved at all.
Mark 18a-7-04: Hi Dan, The sweet spot is Quality you assert. And indeed it
is. That is the ZMM description, and i agree with you. Lila has given us a
Metaphysics of Quality, and this gives us another shot at describing the sweet
spot. The MOQ is a value/evolution/process metaphysics and may be used to describe
experience in terms of DQ/sq.
"I would call it Quality" doesn't quite do now that Lila has been written.
Applying it to archery it would seem to me that the shot loosens itself at a
very fine point. The archer has become the shot. No longer is balance
needed. There is only the shot. I believe if the master can get the student
to see this just one time, then his job is complete. The master is a mirror
so to speak, and without the student there would be no reflection of Dynamic
Quality to achieve. Yet in a real sense Dynamic Quality is never achieved,
only aimed for.
Mark 18a-7-04: I like all this Dan. I feel a degree of precision may be
brought to bare if we invite coherence into this description. The master is a high
coherent state of sq-sq tension. 'Purposeless tension' as Eugen Herrigel calls
it. The student's less coherent state is raises in the presence of the
master's high coherent state. If you read 'Zen in the art of archery' you will read
how a master can increase the coherence of a bow simply by handling it.
I think that's what's meant when we say hitting "the sweet spot." It has
nothing to do with an actual spot in a physical sense but rather just for a
moment self has been abandoned, absorbed, and the act itself has become the
meaning. Applying that to the MOQ, one might call it harmony.
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
Mark 18a-7-04: The sweet spot is Quality and Harmony you say. I agree Dan. We
are still in ZMM country though. Coherence may be thought of a
meta-description of you as a bunch of sq and the club/ball as a bunch of sq. Physical
descriptions of the sweet spot are SOM and substance based. TEOC never goes near
this - TEOC only uses MOQ value based descriptions using DQ/sq. I can't help it
Dan, that's the way i think these days.
All the best,
Mark
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