--- enoonan <enoonan@kent.edu> wrote:
> Quality creating us and us creating quality both
> sound valid to me--
> especially when I consider it as a quality event.
> Interesting question
> though, please expand. Also does the diversity
> bother you? you were worried
> about the collective stifling the individuals
> weren't you? I am not sure how
> you promote individuals and groupthink. I think I
> would be bothered if there
> wasn't diversity.
>
> Please expand more on these ideas. I think they are
> interesting questions but
> I am not exactly clear on what you are asking.
Scott:
In fact, I embrace diversity. It is IMMHO an
essential ingredient in the human condition. You are
not _fully_ human until you have experienced
diversity. I was expressing surprise at the
philosophical diversity stemming from discussion of
MoQ.
"Ideas have consequences" (I believe it was either
Isaiah Berlin or Karl Popper who said that). That is,
one builds a metaphysics, which "points to" an
epistemology, which "points to" an ethics, which
"points to" a politics, etc. All this pointing is
what philosophy is all about. But when you start with
a metaphysics, the foundations, your pointing (in
terms of the less abstract philosophical levels) tends
to be more or less in the same general direction. My
surprise is that MoQ could produce such widely
divergent philosophies - I have seen existentialist
musings, Marxist wanderings, libertarian sentiments,
etc. "Pointing" every which way! And all derived from
a discussion of MoQ, a metaphysics!
If you read Pirsig, for example, you definitely get a
libertarian slant. I suspect that MoQ, properly
understood :-), "points" also in that direction. And
then I see collectivist "pointing". Collectivism is
the very antithesis of the liberalism that forms the
basis for Libertarianism (Incidentally, I do not
consider myself a Libertarian). And, in fact, in both
ZMM and Lila, Pirsig rails against collectivist
policies.
My surprise, and I think I mentioned this, was that
this discussion board sounds, in many ways, more like
a theological debate than a philosophical one.
You've got :
heresies You're not a true MoQite!
fundamentalism And Pirsig said, let there be
Quality...and he saw that the
Quality was Good
justifications
for all sorts of
crazy ideas ...like collectivism :-)
Not a criticism! Just an observation! Someone who had
no idea of MoQ (from the outside looking in) would
certainly view all of this as a bit cultish(?)
Anyway,
Scott L Berry
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