Re: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed Aug 10 2005 - 19:15:13 BST

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    Hi Scott

    I think I known what you are saying, but there is surely
    some forms of experience/being where using the word
    conscious seems a stretch.

    the formed rock on the floor
    the beating of your heart
    the reflex of the knee joint
    the cosmos in its plasma state

    there is something that sustains these states
    that makes them nearer to sleepy SQ rather than
    striving DQ but they are a long way from the
    agency at the level of the human.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@cox.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:35 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths

    > Ian,
    >
    > As an explanation for covering the gaps DQ is bankrupt. Otherwise one can
    > say useful things with it. But why think there are gaps that need to be
    > filled? This problem goes away if one accepts that valued information is
    > meaningful only if there is consciousness.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron@gmail.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:18 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths
    >
    >
    > Scott ... if you think DQ is "bankrupt" you are clearly not on the MoQ
    > side of any line, are you.
    >
    > Ian
    >
    > On 8/10/05, Scott Roberts <jse885@cox.net> wrote:
    >> Ian,
    >>
    >> Well, that raises the questions of where do people such as myself stand,
    >> who
    >> consider both explanations bankrupt? The gaps exist in the first place as
    >> a
    >> result of SOM patterns of thought (what Barfield calls the sin of
    >> omission -- of ignoring that the appearances we call the natural world
    >> are
    >> mental creations).
    >>
    >> - Scott
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron@gmail.com>
    >>
    >> So thanks Scott, you make my point.
    >>
    >> People who wave DQ about are on the MoQ side of that line in the sand.
    >> People who wave God about are on the other.
    >> Dead simple.
    >>
    >> A decision on which is better or worse (DQ or God) is a matter of
    >> choosing which side of that line.
    >>
    >> Ian
    >>
    >> On 8/9/05, Scott Roberts <jse885@cox.net> wrote:
    >> > Ian,
    >> >
    >> > Ian said:
    >> > Atheistic / Non-Theistic ? I feel it is explicit that MoQ does not
    >> > "require" god as part of its explanation, there are no gaps waiting to
    >> > be filled
    >> >
    >> > Scott:
    >> > I fail to see how the MOQ has no gaps waiting to be filled. Doesn't it
    >> > just
    >> > wave "DQ" at the question of how the universe gets from one level to
    >> > another? I don't see this as any better (or worse) an explanation than
    >> > saying "God did it".
    >> >
    >> > - Scott
    >>
    >>
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