From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Thu Oct 13 2005 - 07:32:53 BST
Ian.
11 Oct. you wrote:
> I agree with Mark here, which is very close to the aspects of Bo I
> alreay agreed with. It's about pragmatically making the best out of
> the resources available to us.
You agree with Mark, which is very close ...etc." I guess you will
be reprimanded by him soon.
> The fourth level is already intellectual ...
> GOF Aristotelian Rationality is just one SPV (mainly) in that level.
> "Rationality" is a wider set of SPV's (mainly) in that level.
MOQ's fourth level is the intellectual level, that much we know.
We also know that ZMM saw Aristotle as part of the SOM, more
particular the father of its objective aspect (science)
"At that moment our modern scientific understanding of
reality was born." (ZMM page 374).
LILA mostly treats this scientific aspect, but now as part of
intellect!
"The doctrine of scientific disconnection from social
morals goes all the way back to the ancient Greek belief
that thought is independent of society, that it stands
alone, born without parents. Ancient Greeks such as
Socrates and Pythagoras paved the way for the
fundamental principle behind science: that truth stands
independently of social opinion". (LILA p 304)
What claims independence from social value if not intellect? And
what goes back to the Greeks if not SOM? Science is here
presented as just one intellectual pattern blind to its social origin,
but if science is blind so is the whole intellectual level. Which is
the point: Intellect is just another static level. It is from the MOQ
"level" this context is seen.
> The Intellectual level is therefore more than either Aristotelian
> Rationality or SOMism or Rationality ...
Yes, as shown above, intellect (the S/O value) is more than the
'O', the 'S' is part of the rationality that says that reality is so
divided. The empiricists (Berkeley) arrived at the conclusion that
the subject is the creator of the external world, so there are plenty
of subjective "rationalists".
> it's something pretty close
> to the MoQ itself - the ultimate intellectual pattern in this scheme.
> (We cannot escape the recursion - we are using intellect to define
> intellect - it's not a problem.)
I am (also) of the opinion that the MOQ is the ultimate intellectual
pattern that has begun on "a purpose of its own", formed a
Quality Reality which we begin to see the outline of. The MOQ
"document" however will always remain intellectual.
Bo
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