Re: MD Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level Part 1.

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Nov 16 2005 - 17:21:47 GMT

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    David M.

    15 Nov. you wrote :

    > Are you just trying to tell us that SOM tries to
    > objectify and order reality that this is the heart
    > of the 4th level?

    Yes, I'm trying to tell that SOM (which emerged as told in ZMM)
    is identical to the 4th level (perhaps avoiding "intellectual" will
    help because there must be some taboo connected with that term
    in English that make people go amok when I try to take it down
    from its "mind" peg)

    > I would add that SOM does not go far enough,

    SOM goes as far as is necessary to meet the requirements for
    the 4th. level. Yours is like saying that the inorganic level should
    have gone further into the organic one, but life and death are
    incompatible.

    > that by introducing the SQ/DQ MOQ we can
    > objectify and order not just the inorganic and
    > organic reality but also the social, intellect

    Exactly, "quality reality" is what transcends the 4th. level and
    from where the level system is seen. Everyone agree that SOM
    is a 4th. level pattern, thus it cannot "expand" to contain the MOQ
    they are as incompatible as the said life and death..

    > and subjective reality leaving on the side
    > of the unobjectified only that which cannot be
    > objectified -DQ.

    This part is beyond me. Please elaborate.

    Bo

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