From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Mon May 26 2003 - 23:33:24 BST
Hi Maggie,
>> Has anyone already looked into the MOQ from a child development point
>> of
>> view that I could read in the archives? Does anyone think that this
>> sounds
>> like an especially good or bad project?
>
> I think it's a good project. One I wish I'd done.
You still can, can't you?
>See if this says
> anything to you:
>
> http://members.iglou.com/hettingr/pirsig/CognitiveTools.html
From Maggie's comments on the above link:
I look at Egan's examples of "understanding" and notice that they are
instances of what we've talked about--people's awareness within different
evolutionary levels of PoVs, one at a time, possibly switching back and
forth.
Some educators are interested in these types of understanding because as a
child develops, they see a "recapitulation" of the evolutionary process
within the child--not that each type develops fully before moving on to the
next, but the more primitive must exist before the higher can start to
develop.
The other interesting possibility I see is this: Intellectual patterns are
stored in society. Any static intellectual pattern that manages to be an
"advantage" to society has to have been socialized--it has to have been
stored in the memory banks of society. Those sets of socialized
intellectual patterns congeal in individual humans and are passed on by
imitation.
Steve:
I like that you've distinguished the social level of the MOQ from society.
I was often mislead by missing this distinction when I first joined the
list.
When you say that an intellectual pattern has been "socialized," I now see
this in terms of Wim's formulation of the intellectual level static latch of
"copied rationale for behavior" rather than how I used to misinterpret such
statements as an intellectual pattern actually becoming a social pattern,
which is as impossible as a social pattern becoming a biological one.
Though "intellectual patterns congeal in individual humans [society] and are
passed on by imitation" they remain intellectual patterns.
Maggie continued:
Now here's the neat thing. Modern humanity (each person) would contain an
archeological record of the evolution of those patterns. The very first,
most primitive forms of intellect formed the foundations of later ones.
They were passed on along with the later ones, and even when later types
were more powerful, they "use" the more primitive patterns as well.
Steve says:
This is a interesting idea. If I understand you correctly, not only will a
person develop through the MoQ evolutionary levels as levels of awareness,
we can also see the evolution of better and better intellectual patterns
within individuals as they develop in perhaps the same order in which these
patterns evolved.
Thanks,
Steve
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