RE: MD Language in the MOQ

From: Paul Turner (paulj.turner@ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu Nov 06 2003 - 18:08:48 GMT

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    Hi Mark, Platt, David H

    I've been thinking about language and the MOQ and I'm pleased to read
    that you seem to share the same opinion as I have arrived at.

    Mark wrote: But no literature indicating dominance of intellectual
    patterns, and that is
    why Pirsig indicates the Bible as an example largely devoid of
    intellectual
    'cultural' value - but the Bible, in virtue of being the manipulation of

    symbols is, as a matter of MoQ fact, composed of intellectual patterns
    (written language). The language is socially directed, but writing, qua
    writing is an intellectual activity

    David H wrote: To me, the hand that writes is biological,
    writing/reading words which
    symbolise what is not immediately apparent is intellectual and learning
    of
    the meanings of these words is social.

    Paul:
    In accordance with the above comments, I have come to the conclusion
    that the shared meaning of sounds and characters necessary for language
    has to be socially generated and learned, but the patterns that they
    "contain" are both social (customs, commands) and intellectual
    (symbolic, abstract). In a way, it is as if intellectual patterns of
    thought "devour" social patterns of communication. It also seems that
    the abstract patterns of intellect which became inexpressible in written
    forms of spoken language have evolved mathematical and geometrical
    languages in order to gain a static latch.

    On a side note, Julian Jaynes has speculated that written language in
    particular was a major influence on the development of human
    consciousness as it is experienced today. I plan to explore this (in
    relation to the MOQ) on the forum when I have a little more time, if you
    are interested?

    Cheers

    Paul

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