From: Nathan Pila (pila@sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2003 - 21:38:59 GMT
David,
Quite a concept this morphic field idea. Instinct is therefore an example of
a morphic field. So, my question is can a habit change once it is formed and
what is the method whereby it does change.
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: MD It is ALIVE!!
> Nathan
>
> This is asking the right questions.
> But how do you tell that something has intentional states?
> Does not sticking to the rules imply wilL or chance rather than
> predictable causality? Agency, I think, is all about having
> possibilities (plural) rather than only a single possibility (where we
> ascribe classic causality). The Earth, of course, is full of possibilities
> because life effects the Earth's future. So it gets complex. What is so
> characteristic about human agency is its individuality, such that we are
> structured in our conscious existence by having certain individual
> possibilities:
> shall I go for a walk, do this job, marry this woman, etc. Maybe, when we
> ask
> is the Earth alive, we are limited by having a rather human perspective on
> what
> agency is. Take a look at this to open up some different ideas for you
about
> cosmic processes:
>
> http://www.levity.com/mavericks/rupert.htm
>
> regards
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nathan Pila" <pila@sympatico.ca>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:06 PM
> Subject: MD It is ALIVE!!
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > I know that there are some people who want to say that the earth is
alive.
> > But for me, I would say it is not alive. One of the attributes of living
> > creatures is intentionality. That is, in a living organism, there is
> > something other than matter. There is for lack of a better word,
something
> I
> > will call "WILL". Something that is alive has some autonomy and can
> violate
> > rules if it so chooses to.
> >
> > I may have a thousand reasons to do X; it may be in my best interests
and
> > yet decide to do Y just because I want to. The earth is just is; it sits
> > there and is acted upon.
> >
> > Do you agree with any of this?
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: MD what is life?
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > The earth is an interesting one. Not what we would usually
> > > think of as an organism. Life has done a good job at making
> > > the earth inhabitable. And the stability of the environment for
> > > maintaining life is impressive. It is also a very complex total system
> > > interacting with the space environment. Where purposeful activity
> > > is involved in this is hard to say, I would not dismis it on
> metaphysical
> > > grounds as per SOM too quickly. It needs investigating. What do you
> think?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > David M
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nathan Pila" <pila@sympatico.ca>
> > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MD what is life?
> > >
> > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Using what you wrote, would you say that the earth is alive as a
> > organism?
> > > > And what about a liver cell? Is it alive?
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Nathan
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: MD what is life?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems easy to me, life fills all the levels of complexity
> > > > > after those that create the most determinate level of matter.
> > > > > Life exhibits a level of free activity above that which is only
> > > > > concerned with the contingent interaction of elements.
> > > > > Life makes a use of its environment. There is also a use
> > > > > from energy to particles to atoms to molecules but we
> > > > > do not call this life because the movement is away from free
> > > > > movement towards heavy, stationary, gravity loving, and determined
> > > > > elements, the most static patterns that exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > David M
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Magnus Berg" <McMagnus@home.se>
> > > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:18 AM
> > > > > Subject: re: MD what is life?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Nathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I mostly lurk nowadays but if you are interested in my take on
> life,
> > > > feel
> > > > > free to read "A classicist's road to the Metaphysics of Quality"
in
> > the
> > > > MoQ
> > > > > forum:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.moq.org/forum/magnus/magnus.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Magnus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Nathan Pila" <pila@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > __________
> > > > > > >Hi there Steve,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Well, I would assert that the study of "life" is worthwhile
even
> if
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > an
> > > > > > >illusion. Right now, a definition that is accepted by everyone
> has
> > > yet
> > > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > >formulated. How can one tell if some material is "alive". What
> > > > properties
> > > > > > >would such material exhibit?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >How would you, (Steve)/ (or anyone else) /define 'life'? I am
> aware
> > > > that
> > > > > I
> > > > > > >am not being fair here in that this question is easy to state
and
> > > > > terribly
> > > > > > >difficult to answer. But if you have the time, I would be
> > interested
> > > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > >of the properties that you think 'life' has. I have some views
on
> > the
> > > > > > >subject based on some stuff I've read. But I would like to hear
> > what
> > > > you
> > > > > > >write first.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Regards, Nathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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