From: gav (gav_gc@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Tue Jun 22 2004 - 23:05:34 BST
interesting. well that explains the local knowledge
bit.
--- Paul Vogel <nitzke@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello
All,
>
> "The Horror, the horror."
>
> Indeed!
>
> The Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad:
>
> FYI: dispairing gav
>
>
> Monday, May 24, 2004 12:28 p.m. EDT
> Israeli Agents Believed Involved in Abu Ghraib
>
> Diplomatic sources in Washington tell NewsMax's U.N.
> correspondent Stew
> Stogel that Israeli nationals are believed to be
> involved in the Iraq prison
> controversy.
>
> "Israelis have been to Abu Ghraib and other prisons
> [in Iraq]," says one
> source familiar with the U.S. operations.
>
> It was explained that the Israelis involved have
> been assigned as "civilian
> contractors" to work with Coalition forces in
> interrogating Iraqi POWs.
>
> The "contractors" are said to be veterans of
> Israel's domestic intelligence
> unit, Shin Bet, as well as the more famous
> international intelligence
> agency, the Mossad.
>
> "Who has better experience in dealing with the Arabs
> than Israel?" one
> source asked.
>
> It was explained that several of the "interrogation"
> techniques used by U.S.
> forces in Iraq have in fact been used by Israel "for
> years."
>
> The technique of stripping Arab prisoners naked, to
> embarrass and humiliate
> them, has been used by Israelis, according to Arab
> diplomats at the U.N.
>
> It should be noted, however, that torture and
> mutilation are common
> techniques used by Arab countries on their
> prisoners.
>
> Word in NYC diplomatic circles is that some of the
> "civilians" seen in
> recent Iraq prison photos are in fact Israeli
> nationals "advising" U.S.
> forces.
>
> Neither U.S. nor Iraqi diplomatic officials in NYC
> or Washington were
> available for comment.
>
> The charges come after an incident in April in which
> an Israeli Arab working
> in Iraq was kidnapped and charged with spying.
>
> Nabil George Yaakob Razouk, an Israeli Arab employed
> by Research Triangle
> International, a North Carolina-based firm under
> contract to the State
> Department, was abducted by Iraqi insurgents and
> said to be a spy.
>
> Razouk, working on "local governance" advising, was
> seized in Najaf and held
> for more than two weeks.
>
> Only the personal intervention of Yassir Arafat, who
> acted after pleas from
> the Razouk family, is believed to have saved him
> from execution.
>
> The latest disclosures come as an Iraqi diplomatic
> team has temporarily
> canceled a visit to U.N. headquarters to consult
> with the Security Council
> about the modalities for the transfer of power
> expected on July 1.
>
> Among the Council ambassadors with whom the Iraqis
> are expected to meet is
> U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte.
>
> Negroponte will leave his U.N. post next month to
> become the new U.S.
> ambassador to Iraq, once the Coalition authority is
> dissolved.
>
>
> Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics:
> Israel
> Saddam Hussein/Iraq
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: gav <gav_gc@yahoo.com.au>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >Subject: MD Horror
> >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:45:29 +1000 (EST)
> >
> >i just watched an american documentary on Iraq that
> >focussed on the torture of Iraqi detainess. It was
> >extremely disturbing.
> >As many will already suspect, mistreatment and
> torture
> >are official US government policy since guantanamo.
> >the general in charge of guantanomo - a general
> miller
> >- developed a protocol called 'stress and duress'
> >which outlined different techniques and levels of
> >torture. the prisoners at guantanomo were
> considered
> >exempt from the geneva conventions.
> >same general miller is now in charge of all prisons
> in
> >Iraq and the same protocols are used. over 30
> >prisoners have died in iraq from torture gone
> toofar.
> >the great majority of prisoners are non-combatants,
> ie
> >innocent. they are imprisoned without trial and
> when
> >released are shunned by their peers because their
> >humiliation has been made public, deliberately. it
> is
> >called social death. the acts inflicted upon the
> >prisoners are spefically designed to violate moslem
> >sensibilities; much local knowledge is needed (ie
> it
> >is coming from above).
> >
> >all this occurs against a backdrop of general
> violence
> >and murder of civilians in iraq: men, women and
> >children. some US soldiers have deserted and refuse
> to
> >kill anymore but they are treated as pariahs. one
> >deserter was sentenced to a year in jail recently.
> >
> >okay so where from here?
> >what can we do, individually? renounce our
> >nationality? is that a tactic worth considering?
> how
> >the hell do we stop the escalation of violence from
> >reaching 'revelations' proportions?
> >it seems to me that only INDIVIDUAL action can
> change
> >our course. can we redeem ourselves and our
> societies?
> >how? any ideas (eg thoreau's refusal to pay tax to
> >fund the war on mexico)
> >
> >despairing
> >gav
> >
> >
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