Re: MD Cybernetics and sq evolution - morality

From: mark maxwell (laughingpines@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 03 2005 - 17:46:18 BST

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    Hi Mark,

    Sorry to side tract you, but would you expand on this
    paragraph a bit. Nihilism, good and bad?

    At 09:58 AM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
    >Mark 30-9-05:
    >Events may be either good or bad, and this clinches
    >it. Although Universal flux is maintained by modern
    >science and Buddhist metaphysics, that which can be
    >said to exist in spite of it all are excellent
    events.
    >This places morality right at the centre of it all,
    >and banishes nihilism even though all is change.

    Mark 3-10-05:
    Hi Marsha, No problem about sie-tracking cos it's all
    about the same thing.
    If everything is constant change, then how are their
    stable patterns at all and not simply chaos?
    Science rejects values and implies nihilism: reject
    all value systems.
    The MOQ provides an alternative: Stable patterns are
    moral structures within evolutionary related
    relationships, placing morality at its foundation.
    Value/morality is absolutely fundamental and real -
    without it there is no MOQ.

    Marsha:
    If I wiped out an anthill, and ants were
    self-conscious, they might judge the event 'bad'.

    Mark:
    No doubt about it, it is bad from the ants point of
    view. This event has moral implications.

    Marsha:
    But is it a bad event, or is it an event?

    Mark:
    Science can only tell us this is an event. The MOQ
    describes all events on a moral continuum.

    Marsha:
    What does labelling an event good or bad accomplish?

    Mark:
    In my Cybernetics and harmony thread i'm making a fine
    distinction between playing a violin and playing it
    bloody well! I'm suggesting, and it's just a
    suggestion, that the violin and player are in some
    sense primary sq patterns, but the performance, the
    excellent relationships which contribute to the
    performance are in some sense secondary and more
    moral.

    Mark

                    
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