From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Wed Jun 02 2004 - 01:41:13 BST
Mark 2-6-04: Hello Johnny,
How are you doing?
JM:
Does anyone care to comment on the time component of patterns, how they
ontologically continue the past into the future?
Mark 2-6-04: That's a blasted good question. Time is a pattern.
Creative activity often destroys any sense of time.
Any activity which requires the pattern of timing in order to succeed
(boiling an egg for example) is a coherent state between time as a pattern of value
and the activity to which these patterns are related. But a Master cook could
probably cook you a 3 min egg without counting.
For example, i am British, so obviously i am obsessed with tea. ;) When i
fill my teapot with boiling water, i don't measure the quantity of water as it
enters the teapot, rather, i listen to the rising tone the pot makes as it fills
with liquid. I have learned to hear how full the pot is when it is at its
best capacity for making tea. Then i stir the pot. I have learned that when the
water slows down i have to stir it again, and when this motion stops the tea
will taste about right as long as i have not been distracted.
Don't ask me to boil an egg without an hour glass timer though?
Time is one of the first patterns we discriminate when we sift experience.
So, to answer your question directly: Time is a pattern of value which
indicates the coherence of a repertoire of patterns. There is a coherence
appropriate to each level - that is to say, there is a temporal 'feel' to each level in
the MOQ - Inorganic time (cosmological evolution), Organic time (may be
related to seasons) Social time (Train timetables, work patterns, etc. - related to
daylight) and intellectual time (structured thought, - not intuition, which
may be timeless).
I would recommend Ant McWatt's MOQ text book which has a chapter on Time.
MJ:
Also, patterns explain
what consciousness is - it is patterns. Patterns are all that
consciousness is conscious of, and patterns could not exist without
consciousness to see them into the future.
Mark 2-6-04: I feel you are suggesting an objective nature for time which
acts as a backdrop to what consciousness does Johnny? "...how they ontologically
continue the past into the future?" They, 'patterns' do not inhere in Time.
Patterns inhere in coherent relationships which respond to DQ depending on
degree of coherence, which are then construed as forming a temporal continuum.
Consciousness is degrees of coherence, and this means degrees of SQ-SQ
tension. Time is one such tension, but it is primarily the value of relationships.
Good relationships have a high sense of coherence, and at this degree of value
time can appear to stop in wonder, joy, beauty?
Biological coherence does the same thing if you have ever been chased by a
threat. Run away! Run away! No time here.
That's what i think anyway!
All the best,
Mark
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